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David Graf's avatar

Whatever you think of FDR's economics, he was the right President for the second world war. If you give the President total authority over the alphabet agencies, are we setting ourselves up for the return of the Spoils System?

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Peter Venetoklis's avatar

You have a habit of arguing stuff you want to talk about rather than the points I make. Should the President have authority to fire any subordinate in the Executive branch? Should Congress have the right to usurp the Executive Branch's authority by abandoning its duty as legislator to an agency that no voter has say about?

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David Graf's avatar

Don't include a "postcard" of FDR as one of the worst Presidents and not expect a reply. No. The President should not have authority to fire any subordinate in the Executive branch save for cause such as refusal to follow orders. Otherwise, welcome back to the Spoils System and super hyper-partisanship when it comes to government functions which should be performed in a non-partisan manner. If Congress decides to delegate powers to an agency it creates then that is not an usurpation of the EB's authority. The EB carries out the laws. It doesn't establish them. The people through their representatives can signal their approval or disapproval of the workings of these agencies.

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Peter Venetoklis's avatar

As opposed to our current system? The one that keeps piling on regulation after regulation, that is fully immersed in regulatory capture with lobbyists writing the rules that govern their companies, that created $37T in debt, and that shows us no hope of resolution?

Beyond that, you are strawmannirg. I didn't call for a monarchical presidency, I called for a restoration of the three branches of government. What we have now is a fourth branch that's for all intents and purposes unaccountable and is doing whatever it wants, voters be damned.

You prefer this over closer connection between the voters and the public servants? I'll remember that next time you write "will of the voters."

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David Graf's avatar

I prefer the current system to one in which the President can run wild. What you call a restoration appears curiously like an endorsement of the unitary executive. The voters can decide through their representatives. Plus, Congress is far closer to the voters than a single President.

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Peter Venetoklis's avatar

Once again, "run wild" is not what I'm arguing. Instead, it's authority over the agencies in the Executive Branch.

As for Congress, SCOTUS has already slapped them down for over-delegating in the past, I hope they do it again. The only way we get Congress back to doing its job is to kibosh this abandonment to an extra-Constitutional Fourth Branch.

The current system is an atrocity. Something's gotta change.

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David Graf's avatar

If you are talking about agencies like the Department of Agriculture then those are clearly part of the Executive Branch. That's not the case with others such as the FTC. How could Congress possibly do all the tasks performed by these agencies if it had to pass a law every time a change or update was needed?

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Bobbi's avatar

What should the name of that mountain be? No room for Biden?

Wishing you and yours the merriest of Christmases.🎄🎆

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Peter Venetoklis's avatar

Mount Doom?

Biden pales in comparison to the Big Four.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

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Bobbi's avatar

I like it!

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Val Liles's avatar

Brilliant article, Peter! Your MR of S is SPOT-ON. Y'know, since congressional posturing takes time away from legislating perhaps they felt impelled to offload on the Executive (and Judicial) branches. Sure wish they'd get back in their lane.

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