I agree, we need to be able to discuss these things. I also agree that if an adult suffers dysphoria, they are free to make their choices about their lives and bodies. I do not believe, however, other adults should voluntarily, or by force, pretend such delusions reflect reality. I will never refer to a biological man as "she" or "her," nor will I refer to a biological woman as "he" or "him." Bruce Jenner will always be a man, no matter what cosmetic changes (clothing, makeup, or surgery) he chooses to employ. Same with Audrey Hale - she will always be a woman.
I think it incredibly irresponsible for medical professionals to indulge such psychological disorders, and even for other normal adults to go along with the charade. Doing such causes more harm to both the afflicted individual and to all those in that person's orbit. These people are on desperate need of help, and too many in society refuse to offer it, instead feeding the farce.
I don't have a problem calling someone by a preferred pronoun (i.e. he vs she), on an individual basis. I also don't have a problem noting that someone is a trans woman or a trans man. I will not go so far as to write or vocalize that a person born with XY chromosomes is a "woman" absent the trans descriptor, because that is simply not true - and because it feeds this eradication of the differences between men and women that the radical activists are trying to cram down our throats.
It's not my place to say that transgenderism is a "disorder." It's an evolving understanding, for sure, and at the risk of over-repetition, I can't know nor would I presume to know what's going on inside someone's head. I don't need to in a society that treats all individuals equally.
Sorry. On this one, we are going to disagree 100%. It is absolutely a disorder much like anorexia. Would you tell an anorexic that he or she is fat and thus should eat less? No. You understand that the mind is, for whatever reason, unable to accept the reality of the body. It is the same with transgenderism which itself destroys the distinction between man and woman. A "woman" is an adult, human female. Period. End of sentence. Nothing else qualifies as "woman." A man may be feminine, but that does not make him a woman, nor does masculinity make a woman a man. It is a matter of simple biology and to reject that basic scientific truth is to live in the same delusion as they do.
This is why I am OK with the "trans woman" label. It's a reality that people are doing this, and using the "trans" modifier respects biological reality while granting some degree of respect for another's autonomy.
YMMV of course, but that's where I stand on the matter.
Oh, and since I'm note a woke-leftist, disagreement doesn't bother me ;).
I didn't think disagreement would bother you, as it does not me (and I appreciate your use of the term "leftist" rather than "liberal," as so many mistakenly use). Frankly, seeing what you write and the way you respond, I quite expect you and I could be good friends.
I also somewhat misread your response about the label. Calling a man a "trans woman", in a way, to me, actually makes more clear the reality. I can respect the person's autonomy, however, without indulging the delusion. If a man wants to call himself "she/her," he is welcome to - that is autonomy. Expecting or requiring me to go along with the fantasy, however, violates my autonomy.
I've been trying to make clear the growing difference between liberal and leftist for a few years now. The latter's embrace of coercion is the reason for both the distinction and the split.
As for how you choose to react or interact - you do you, as the kids like to say :).
Maybe instead of simply making assertions, I should ask a couple of questions. If a man believed himself to be a dog, would you say that is "an evolving understanding", or would you believe that man to have a psychological disorder? A bird? A cat? Anything other than human? If these to you would be a disorder, why would a man believing he is a woman be any different?
Do you believe (as our founding fathers did) in a Creator, who is "Nature's God" and the "Supreme Judge" of the world? The One from whom our founders derived the idea of us all being equal and treated equally, the One on whom they based their belief in the liberty of man?
Why are there no discussions of the potential reaction to individuals being given regular doses of Testosterone? What other prescribed, mind altering substances was he/she taking? How do autism--a common characteristic of school shooters--and cross-gender hormone replacement therapies, and potentially additional psychiatric medications combine to lessen or increase violent behavior?
“Today, the individual does not matter. Who you are takes a distant back seat to what you are.”
So, so true!
I agree, we need to be able to discuss these things. I also agree that if an adult suffers dysphoria, they are free to make their choices about their lives and bodies. I do not believe, however, other adults should voluntarily, or by force, pretend such delusions reflect reality. I will never refer to a biological man as "she" or "her," nor will I refer to a biological woman as "he" or "him." Bruce Jenner will always be a man, no matter what cosmetic changes (clothing, makeup, or surgery) he chooses to employ. Same with Audrey Hale - she will always be a woman.
I think it incredibly irresponsible for medical professionals to indulge such psychological disorders, and even for other normal adults to go along with the charade. Doing such causes more harm to both the afflicted individual and to all those in that person's orbit. These people are on desperate need of help, and too many in society refuse to offer it, instead feeding the farce.
I don't have a problem calling someone by a preferred pronoun (i.e. he vs she), on an individual basis. I also don't have a problem noting that someone is a trans woman or a trans man. I will not go so far as to write or vocalize that a person born with XY chromosomes is a "woman" absent the trans descriptor, because that is simply not true - and because it feeds this eradication of the differences between men and women that the radical activists are trying to cram down our throats.
It's not my place to say that transgenderism is a "disorder." It's an evolving understanding, for sure, and at the risk of over-repetition, I can't know nor would I presume to know what's going on inside someone's head. I don't need to in a society that treats all individuals equally.
Sorry. On this one, we are going to disagree 100%. It is absolutely a disorder much like anorexia. Would you tell an anorexic that he or she is fat and thus should eat less? No. You understand that the mind is, for whatever reason, unable to accept the reality of the body. It is the same with transgenderism which itself destroys the distinction between man and woman. A "woman" is an adult, human female. Period. End of sentence. Nothing else qualifies as "woman." A man may be feminine, but that does not make him a woman, nor does masculinity make a woman a man. It is a matter of simple biology and to reject that basic scientific truth is to live in the same delusion as they do.
This is why I am OK with the "trans woman" label. It's a reality that people are doing this, and using the "trans" modifier respects biological reality while granting some degree of respect for another's autonomy.
YMMV of course, but that's where I stand on the matter.
Oh, and since I'm note a woke-leftist, disagreement doesn't bother me ;).
I didn't think disagreement would bother you, as it does not me (and I appreciate your use of the term "leftist" rather than "liberal," as so many mistakenly use). Frankly, seeing what you write and the way you respond, I quite expect you and I could be good friends.
I also somewhat misread your response about the label. Calling a man a "trans woman", in a way, to me, actually makes more clear the reality. I can respect the person's autonomy, however, without indulging the delusion. If a man wants to call himself "she/her," he is welcome to - that is autonomy. Expecting or requiring me to go along with the fantasy, however, violates my autonomy.
I've been trying to make clear the growing difference between liberal and leftist for a few years now. The latter's embrace of coercion is the reason for both the distinction and the split.
As for how you choose to react or interact - you do you, as the kids like to say :).
Maybe instead of simply making assertions, I should ask a couple of questions. If a man believed himself to be a dog, would you say that is "an evolving understanding", or would you believe that man to have a psychological disorder? A bird? A cat? Anything other than human? If these to you would be a disorder, why would a man believing he is a woman be any different?
Do you believe (as our founding fathers did) in a Creator, who is "Nature's God" and the "Supreme Judge" of the world? The One from whom our founders derived the idea of us all being equal and treated equally, the One on whom they based their belief in the liberty of man?
Why are there no discussions of the potential reaction to individuals being given regular doses of Testosterone? What other prescribed, mind altering substances was he/she taking? How do autism--a common characteristic of school shooters--and cross-gender hormone replacement therapies, and potentially additional psychiatric medications combine to lessen or increase violent behavior?
And on and on....